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雪山狮子旗,Flag of Tibet

From English Wikipedia:

The flag of Tibet was reintroduced in 1912 by the 13th Dalai Lama, who united the army flags of various provinces to design the present one. Since then, it served as the all-Tibet military flag until 1950[1]. It remains the emblem of the Central Tibetan Administration headquartered in Dharamsala, India. As a symbol of the Tibetan independence movement, it is banned [1] in the People’s Republic of China, including the Tibet Autonomous Region which corresponds to the former area of control of the Tibetan government at Lhasa, as well as other areas in greater Tibet.
During the era between 9th and 18th century, Tibet did not have an official army. In late 18th century, after Qing government defended Tibet from outside invasion, they created a twenty-nine points resolution called “Imperial decree of protective procedures for Tibet”. The fourth clause of this decree stated “The lack of official military in the region of Tibet has lead to emergency drafts in time of crisis, which has proven to be harmful to the Tibetan people. The emperor has approved for Tibet to form a official troop of three thousand men. One thousand each will be stationed in front and back Tibet, five hundred in Jiangzi and five hundred in Dingri.” These three thousand troops became what is commonly known as the Tibetan Infantry. Considering that a military flag is a necessity for the daily training of this army, the central Qing government approved the “snow lion flag” as official military flag of Tibet.
This tradition is continued down to present day, where the Tibetan government in exile still uses the “snow lion flag” as their official representation.

中文维基

1912年,该旗首度启用。1918年,第十三世达赖喇嘛颁布,正式由拉萨的清政府采用。1950年,中华人民共和国政府与西藏政府签订《和平解放协定》,人民解放军进驻西藏后,该旗就由五星红旗取代。1959年,发生拉萨冲突,中国人民解放军占领西藏全境并下令取缔西藏政府,第十四世达赖喇嘛逃离西藏后,该旗被中华人民共和国视为西藏独立运动的标识,被严格禁止展示或使用。
9世纪中叶,吐蕃王朝分裂后,在很长一段时期里,西藏没有出现正规的军队,也就没有正规的军旗了。直到18世纪末叶,清朝在派兵击退外敌对西藏的入侵后,制定了著名的《钦定藏内善后章程》二十九条。其中第四条规定:“以前前后藏都没有正规军队,用时临时征调,不仅缺乏作战能力,并且造扰人民,为害很大。
这次呈请大皇帝批准,成立三千名正规军队:前后藏各驻一千名,江孜驻五百名,定日驻五百名。这支钦定额为三千的军队,就是后来人们常说的“藏军”。军队平时的训练和作战的指挥,都离不了军旗。于是”中央政府清朝政府制作了”藏军的军旗“雪山狮子旗”。这就是藏独所谓“国旗”和“军队”的来历。
目前,位于印度达兰萨拉的西藏流亡政府继续使用雪山狮子旗。

一位西藏读书人在某讨论区的发言集,原文转录如下。

一位西藏读书人在某讨论区的发言集,原文转录如下。

本文由 傲笑红尘 在 2008-3-31 01:57 发表于: 倍可亲

我是藏南波密的门巴族,现在在西南民族学院读书,境外的藏独分子妄想复辟,妄想回来当农奴主,做他的大梦吧,不要说共产党,就是我们也会拿起枪和他们干。大家要警惕,听我高中同学说,藏独用钱在波密扎木中学招募藏族高中生去境外读军校。这次拉萨暴动波密也有几个平时偷鸡摸狗地痞流氓去了拉萨,他们几个初中的时候经常打架,欺压同学。没想到小混混聚集在一起了,胆子还大了不少,估计是拿了钱干的。希望政府能去查一查,藏独真可笑,越是这些????跟著他们,他们越是臭名远扬。

全国同胞们放心,现在藏独很少,只有黄教那些神经病里有些喇嘛喜欢用香火钱来哄骗农民,想我们这些上大学的,根本不想理他们。现在西藏生活这么好了,境外那几个神经病回来只有挨打,要他们真回来,我第一个回藏南搞死他们。

境外那些藏独,都是当年逃过去的农奴主的后代,我们已经翻身当主人了,他们只能在境外当狗,客死他乡,肯定不平衡。旧西藏才是世界上侵犯人权最为严重的地方,我会开帖子另外说的。

只是有个小小的要求,政府执法的时候要强硬点,达赖其实已经被藏青会架空,他根本没什么发言权。

今天黄教的喇嘛向媒体哭诉“不自由”。大昭寺是黄教达赖祭法的地方,那些黄教喇嘛都信奉达赖,去那采访,不是神经病吗,肯定拥护达赖啊。去色拉寺、甘丹寺、哲蚌寺,还有更多的喇嘛,这些都是黄教的地盘。如果去小昭寺采访,肯定哭诉黄教暴徒怎么
施暴的。

我真觉得可笑,中央政府也真贱,黄教喇嘛越闹,中央就对他越好,像我们这些不闹事的藏族人,中央政府就不在意。

我是藏南门巴族,政府能不能武装我们,让我们以志愿军的形式越境去印度端掉藏独老巢,我有些同学在那边,熟悉路径。这帮农奴主的后代越来越嚣张了,要再不出来,他们又要回来奴役我们了!

达赖最可笑,西藏又不是他黄教一家的,就是独立了,西藏也是内战不断。

就是黄教也分达赖和班禅,黄教有两大活佛转世系统,不过我们门巴不信这个,我们是原始宗教,我说了就是独立了也是内战不断,黄教才多少人嘛?他们只能代表后藏,青宁的农户。

你是不知道内情,那帮所谓的打人藏独相当于内地的地痞流氓,谁给钱就帮谁。至于那些打人的喇嘛是因为那几个寺庙都是黄教的信达赖,黄教内部信班禅的就没事。

我知道汉人的心思,我在成都,前几天我坐公交车,因为我是西藏人,我坐的位置居然没人和我一起坐,那些人宁愿站著,也不坐我旁边,其实我们都是被藏青会连累的。

达赖现在已经被藏青会架空,他管不了在国外出生长大的藏独二代,就算他想和中央政府谈,藏青会也不会让他谈。藏青会从小被洗脑,他们有时候潜回西藏看到到处都是汉字、汉人,藏民生活也越来越好,他们就绝望,因为他们被灌输这一切本来都是他们的
,我们只不过是农奴,他们的奴役的商品而已。现实确是他们只能龟缩在印度的山区,像野骆驼一样偷生,老死。

中央政府最好放弃和谈,我知道藏青会那批人是不会和中央政府和谈的,他们的胃口大的很,川西,甘南,青海,云南他们都想吃,真要这批农奴主的后代回来,西藏各族人民将暗无天日。西藏也会内战不断。不必太在乎外国人的感受,多关心点本国人的利益。

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Vitamin-max.com: 我认为这篇文章写得比较可信,从语气,列举的例子等来看。不像枪手文章。而且关于海外藏独二代“流亡移民”,也说得很对。他们作为藏独的主力,居然都没有去过西藏,谈何藏独?我好歹也是去过所谓“大藏区”的。我清楚的记得,那些藏人很有钱,而且和我们说起她们的昂贵的首饰的时候,不无自豪。我们穷学生当时也只有赞叹他们的富庶。

Time for Sichuan

CNN sent a reporter to the Aba county in Sichuan province, because they received pictures and reports from some Tibetan groups about killing of Tibetans there.

The title of the video was “Conflicting stories of death”. The reporter said, along the way, they heard different stories about the numbers of people died. But he only gave one example, saying, here, these people said they were told that over 100 ethnic Chinese people were killed by local news.

I think this video is very problematic and I have serious doubt that the reporter was telling the truth. First of all, they cut of the voices of the natives. Voices of interviewed people speaking foreign language are usually preserved to ensure that the report is true, often as lower background voices. Second, Chinese media is extremely censored. It is extremely unlikely their local news reported the number of death. It is already very surprising if their local news actually reported the protest. The Chinese government has also been very cautious about causing resentment in Han Chinese people, and they may downplay the number of death of Han Chinese.

In Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province, at least 2 people died because of attack from Tibetan man in the street, based on reliable information I have. And the news did NOT report this incidence. It is not on any news, Chinese or western. And Sichuan official news website has no news about the death of Chinese people in Aba county.

CNN reporter, probably had lost in translation. His translator may not well understand the dialect there. Or, like usual, CNN is simply biased and putting out false information.

Q&A About Tibet, and Chinese politics

Why Chinese always feel frustration when talking about issues such as Tibet and Taiwan with westerners? And what do I think is the solution to many problems in China.

Frustration came from the inability to communicate because most Americans don’t know enough truth to make reasonable judgement. Frustration came from when CNN talks about Chinese government brutally suppress and kill Tibetans, they are broadcasting videos from India or Nepal. Frustration came from Westerners will always argue China “invaded” Tibet 58 years ago, while Tibet has been under China sovereign for over 700 hundred years. (No need to argue about this, if you want to just believe what you heard on BBC, CNN or whatever, I won’t stop you.)

I know that there Tibet was largely and traditionally autonomous throughout most of the time when it was under sovereign of China. So why did China has to send army to Tibet in 1950, and sort of break this “tradition”? It is largely because of the threat from the western world, especially from USA. USA interfered with Chinese civil war, so government of Republic of China can flee to Taiwan and the civil war was interrupted by USA military interference. However, in 1949 China finally sort of finished civil war, after over 100 years of being invaded by the western world. It was time for China to stand up and get together. Chinese dare not to lose control of any part of China after been bullied for so long. China at that time may be unable to cross the straight and finish the civil war, but the US was unable to interfere with re-taking control of Tibet militarily. Remember, USSR forced PRC government to forfeit the legitimate sovereign of Mongolia. China was threatened everywhere.

Chinese government is not democratic like the western system. It is difficult to say if right away there is free election, who people will vote for. Tibetans may vote against the China Communist Party, but so may many normal Chinese people. But that will not reflect anything because it is a vote after political freedom repression. If every part of China was given western-like democracy for 20 years, Tibetans will most likely vote not to be independent. And yes, I believe if there is another strong party other than CCP, people may vote for them.

The solution about Tibet or many issues in China is a better and more democratic government. Minorities in China enjoyed much more privileges than the majority of Han Chinese. The privileges are way more than Affirmative Action in the USA. But this is most likely a failed policy. Chinese would rather prefer a less democratic government than being split into pieces. So if western world is really willing to help China grow, which I seriously doubt, they will just help China to open instead of accusation. Because an open country will inevitably going towards democracy, under the influence of other countries. Too much sunlight actually close up stomata. If Chinese government feels threatened by opening up, they will be more reluctant to political reform.

Unfortunately, the western government apparently do not want to sincerely help China to grow. Even if China is not a so called “communist country”, they won’t want to. Even Europe and USA fights sometimes. And Europe is not even close to counter USA in any mean. A strong democratic China, to the west, is still a threat in the western minds.

Concerns about Tibet, because of Western Media

I am concerned about Tibet in the past few days.

All the photos, videos from either news agencies or independent individuals are showing a small group of violent Tibetan people destroying shops and cars, burning down cars and buildings, hitting and even killing innocent people (who are not Tibetan). However, western media have chosen to say that Chinese government is doing “bloody crackdown” on the riot.

What?

I should not have been surprised. Because westerners have always been lied about China. The continued efforts to demonize China has been there for many many years. I should not have been surprised.

But one simple question, is that are those westerners who watch these media, such as CNN, Yahoo, BBC, unable to “think” at all? None of those videos or pictures are showing the so called “bloody crackdown” but violent Tibetan people. I believe, this, and this only, is an evidence that’s strong enough to overthrow all the previous reports on Tibet: totally biased and lies.

Also, from these videos and pictures, it is clear that those violent Tibetans are attackers. If, like those media and Dalai Lama said, over 100 of those attackers have died, what would you expect have died as defenders? When Chinese government said 10 people have died, they meant “innocent people”. But when western media report this, they made it sounds like 10 Tibetan people were killed by Chinese police.

Also when CNN was interviewing Richard Gere, an actor who basically don’t know much about truth or the world, they were broadcasting the conflicts between Indian or Nepal police and protesting Tibetans. OK, maybe Americans are really THAT easy to fool. Because CNN was not talking about India or Nepal in that video (I watched personally), it is apparent that they wanted to fool people into thinking Chinese police are treating these Tibetans so badly.

The bottom line is, wherever there are riots, be it in USA, UK or Germany, police will act. USA authorized army to enter New Orleans and shoot mobs. UK used force against northern Ireland. When innocent Chinese people are being killed, their properties been destroyed, we did not hear a single condemn to these terrorists in Lhasa on those “extremely unbiased” media who only tell truth. Well, maybe condemn is too much to ask, how about a little sympathy for those innocent people? But still, none, nothing, not at all. On the other hand, they are accusing Chinese government being bloody and brutal.

I would say Chinese government is brutal if they don’t stop these terrorists, and be responsible for their citizens lives. Luckily we have police just like western world.

To summarize, there is basically no point of arguing about this issue with westerners who had been brainwashed by their media. Remember how Americans were brainwashed into Iraq wars? They tried to brainwash them into Iran war, however some special interest group in Washington DC apparently aborted. Chinese media brainwash people too. Most Chinese people know that. And Chinese like me makes my own judgement. Most Americans don’t believe their media try to brainwash them. They vote Obama because of Oprah.

Why is that? Let me connect the dots. Why would western media portrait China and some other countries much worse than they really are? Because this brings in contrast. In this way, westerners would start to feel happy about what they got, even though it is not really much better. It is very effective because now it feels like they live in a much better world than they really do. I have seen numerous comments about China by Americans: I am so glad I don’t live in China. USA is on average a better place to live than China, no-brainer. However, now, there are a very significant number of Chinese who lead better life than a significant number of low class Americans, believe it or not. I have a friend in China earning $15,000 a year, another one $10,000 a year. There are many people like them, and people better than them. And China is a much cheaper place to live (although getting more expensive), apparently relatively they are much richer than lower class Americans. What’s more important is, China is still developing fast. US now enters recession. Think about 20 years later?

But it is important for US and western world to ensure their citizens to feel much more superior than people from China and countries like that. Think about how many Americans believe their health care is better than Canadian? And no, American people are not fooled by their media. No, not at all. And, they become so fat and unhealthy with a french fried loving heart, all because that’s what they truly wanted. I probably went too far from the topic of Tibet, but anyway it was fun to talk about truth.

西藏文化15年内会消失吗?

达赖放话,说如果维持现状,西藏的文化会在15年内消失。我觉得是毫无道理的。

首先,显然15年内西藏的文化是不会消失的。无须论证,这很显然。达赖只不过是危言耸听罢了,一贯做法。

其次,中国自古就比世界其他地区更为统一,无论是文化还是语言。西方有一本书,也专门探讨过这个问题。为什么中国主要的几大语系都是普通话的近亲,而且使用人数如此之多,相比欧洲,非洲,印度等地,一个很小的地方就有比中国多得多的语言。因此,西方传统上就是无法理解中国人向往统一的心理和趋同趋势。

西藏文化是否会最终被同化,我觉得也不太重要。随着世界交流的密切,本来文化之间就会互相交融。你看中国人(如果你说汉族也可以),现在穿着和生活习惯,其实已经严重得脱离中国历史传统,穿的是衬衣,西装,皮鞋;流行时尚还是来自欧美日韩。为什么没有人大喊要挽救中国人的某些历史传统呢?因为时代是不断进步的。

而且,西方殖民主义,消灭了多少地方文化,非洲有多少国家现在说的是英语法语,印第安人文化被消灭了多少,为什么他们不首先检讨道歉?恐怕他们还自豪,为被殖民侵略的国家带来先进的东西呢!所以,所有这些,其实还不过是为了遏抑中国罢了!

可惜很多中国人都买BBC这一套。也难怪BBC一壶老酒可以卖个几十年。