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雪山狮子旗,Flag of Tibet

From English Wikipedia:

The flag of Tibet was reintroduced in 1912 by the 13th Dalai Lama, who united the army flags of various provinces to design the present one. Since then, it served as the all-Tibet military flag until 1950[1]. It remains the emblem of the Central Tibetan Administration headquartered in Dharamsala, India. As a symbol of the Tibetan independence movement, it is banned [1] in the People’s Republic of China, including the Tibet Autonomous Region which corresponds to the former area of control of the Tibetan government at Lhasa, as well as other areas in greater Tibet.
During the era between 9th and 18th century, Tibet did not have an official army. In late 18th century, after Qing government defended Tibet from outside invasion, they created a twenty-nine points resolution called “Imperial decree of protective procedures for Tibet”. The fourth clause of this decree stated “The lack of official military in the region of Tibet has lead to emergency drafts in time of crisis, which has proven to be harmful to the Tibetan people. The emperor has approved for Tibet to form a official troop of three thousand men. One thousand each will be stationed in front and back Tibet, five hundred in Jiangzi and five hundred in Dingri.” These three thousand troops became what is commonly known as the Tibetan Infantry. Considering that a military flag is a necessity for the daily training of this army, the central Qing government approved the “snow lion flag” as official military flag of Tibet.
This tradition is continued down to present day, where the Tibetan government in exile still uses the “snow lion flag” as their official representation.

中文维基

1912年,该旗首度启用。1918年,第十三世达赖喇嘛颁布,正式由拉萨的清政府采用。1950年,中华人民共和国政府与西藏政府签订《和平解放协定》,人民解放军进驻西藏后,该旗就由五星红旗取代。1959年,发生拉萨冲突,中国人民解放军占领西藏全境并下令取缔西藏政府,第十四世达赖喇嘛逃离西藏后,该旗被中华人民共和国视为西藏独立运动的标识,被严格禁止展示或使用。
9世纪中叶,吐蕃王朝分裂后,在很长一段时期里,西藏没有出现正规的军队,也就没有正规的军旗了。直到18世纪末叶,清朝在派兵击退外敌对西藏的入侵后,制定了著名的《钦定藏内善后章程》二十九条。其中第四条规定:“以前前后藏都没有正规军队,用时临时征调,不仅缺乏作战能力,并且造扰人民,为害很大。
这次呈请大皇帝批准,成立三千名正规军队:前后藏各驻一千名,江孜驻五百名,定日驻五百名。这支钦定额为三千的军队,就是后来人们常说的“藏军”。军队平时的训练和作战的指挥,都离不了军旗。于是”中央政府清朝政府制作了”藏军的军旗“雪山狮子旗”。这就是藏独所谓“国旗”和“军队”的来历。
目前,位于印度达兰萨拉的西藏流亡政府继续使用雪山狮子旗。

暴乱和干扰火炬传递,应是系统计划安排的反华阴谋

inspired by splendor57@mitbbs

藏独领袖在今年较早前就已经发出信息,奥运会是不可错过的机会。我觉得我国自以为对西藏已经不错,不会出什么乱子,所以可能注意力更多的集中在台湾上了。本来大家认为,台湾是最可能利用奥运做出出格事情的地方,结果是藏独闹得满城风雨。

如果没有之前的暴乱,藏独在火炬传递中的抗议就不会有现在这种效果。其实中国国家领导每次访问西方,都有藏独,疆独,FLG分子出来捣乱,但是都没有本质影响。他们算计,如果在拉萨出现暴乱,共产党必然武力血腥镇压。共党估计也是料到这招,所以给了暴乱几个小时的时间,搜集证据和视频,之后的镇压,说实在的也是任何国家都会做的,基本没有什么出格之处,最多有点中国特色。也许西方媒体也早有准备,于是在确凿消息没有发出之前,就以狂轰滥炸之势报道中国血腥镇压。虽然后来没有足够证据支持,基本论调也没有改变。比如CNN最近就用“中国在西藏的镇压”来一笔带过此事件,给不了解中国的西方观众以充足的想象空间。西方媒体频频使用的尼泊尔和印度的照片视频,则是给西方观众想象提供指导方针(guideline)。再把天安门事件联系起来,就非常强大,洗脑效果绝对是处方药乃至外科手术级别。

因此,暴乱只是前序,是要给之后一系列“戏”提供悲情气氛。我们相信藏族同胞多数没有这么激进,就算多少有不满,也不会要求独立。中国人民对社会对政府有不满,也是天经地义,大家都知道,只是程度的问题。但是这场戏演得是越来越激烈,我们尚且不知道后面会怎么样,谁知道会不会演变到人体炸弹?因为有谣言说藏独分子曾经发出过类似的威胁。藏独分子也宣布要和疆独互相支持,而疆独有更多的恐怖主义色彩。

目前对他们来说,变数是中国政府的镇压不够血腥。虽然有人伤亡,但是远远没有达到他们想要利用的数目。不过他们也有准备,所以一开始自己把伤亡人数上升到100多,以博取国际同情。而博取国际同情是藏独生命力的来源,是他们运动从头到今最本质的策略。而这个通过欺骗和策划博取同情的策略,和西方媒体唯恐中国不乱的心理一混合,促成了他们和西方媒体恐怕都没有料到的中国人民大团结。特别是海外华人空前的团结;当然了,海外华人虽然多数对中国的现状存在不满,但是毕竟是视野开阔,见过中外两边的状况,了解中国现状的,而且大多数都是聪明的受过高等教育的人群,有辨别是非的能力。这些对中国是以意外的利好因素,西方媒体在华人心目中更中立更尊重事实的形象,真的是已经支离破碎,土崩瓦解了。

要考虑的是,藏独是否有预料到海外华人的反弹。他们就算没有预料到,现在他们打算如何应付。他们是否会借华人反分裂的示威,来进一步损毁中国人的形象?因此,海外华人在抗争之际,应该小心不要被利用,游行示威的时候,多一些理性,少一些冲动,多一些和平和微笑,少一些暴力。

发展衍生:
关于抵制奥运会的问题必须谈。其实之前国际上就有声音要抵制北京的奥运会。大家也估摸,如果台湾全部独立,武力维护国家统一,也可能招致以欧美为首的抵制。因此藏独预谋的暴乱,可能本来是期望得到非常血腥的后果,然后奥运会的抵制会比较顺利。可惜不够血腥,因此目前说的最多的就是抵制开幕式。就目前的状况来看,各国元首宣布是否抵制开幕式,多数都没有能够迅速决断,更是暗示这是一个反华阴谋的酝酿过程,各股势力需要观察形势,再做决断如何反华。就连布什昨日也宣布可能会不参加开幕式;而此间西藏问题并没有恶化,相反是更多的证据表面没有血腥镇压,拉萨发生的也不是“和平示威”。就像美国为了入侵伊拉克和伊朗,都是要在媒体上不断酝酿气氛,当民众被忽悠到足够晕乎之后,再行动。

Charlie Rose Show about Tibet

Comments of some Americans about Tibet I think worth quoting. Well, I am not sure whether they are Americans. But let’s just assume they are.

Comment by second thought on Friday, Mar 21 at 10:20 PM

Yes, “Han Chinese lack the knowledge of Tibetan”. “The economic development is totally based on the destruction of the environment”. Tibetans have a better knowledge of Tibet”. Wait. Who just said the violence in Tibet is beyond his control? If the destruction is greater than the benefit, why does Dalai Lama wants Tibet to be part of China to share the economic boom? It’s easier for a dog to bark than for a human to talk his ideology. The western politians like him as long as he barks against their opponents and the louder the better. A few more comments about my personal experience in Tibet: 1. Ordinary Tibetans are very nice and friendly to tourists. Also, the environment and ecology is very natural and beautiful. Personally, I don’t see signs of “destruction”. 2. Tibetan monks, i.e. lamas, are generally gready and surly. One of the monks once invited the me into a dark room for a spiritual talk, and then asked for $100 to light a candle in order to cleanse my spirit. How pious are they to Buddism! I immediately turned hime down. The other monk did the same thing to my girl friend and with a threatening tone. It’s then not hard to understand why Dalai changed his claim of full independence to full autonomy. Who doens’t want to make quick money from Han tourists under the name of Budda?

Comment by Jason on Friday, Mar 21 at 10:01 PM

I am wondering why Professor Melvyn C. Goldstein, the Tibetan expert in the United States, was not invited to the discussion.

I read many books and journal papers on Tibet, China, and the United States, including those from Goldstein and Thurman. To me, Goldstein is a researcher with integrity and provides the most objective views about Tibet and China without personal prejudice against communists and atheists.

Comment by Fairplay on Friday, Mar 21 at 08:51 PM

Very biased, though better than Foxnews. When an Asian Indian and two western whites talk about Tibet, you can bet on the result of discussion. Actually it is quite easy to call any Chinese scholar into the discussion. There are thousands of Chinese history professors from universities in Hong Kong and Western countries who can talk about a more balanced history of Tibet. Hints: Indians and Chinese do not get along well near the Tibet area. It is a joke to let Indians give a fair talk on Tibet. Indians also occupy the 6th Dalai Lama’s birthplace and refuse to return it to Tibet (The current Dalai Lama is the 14th). Most westerners are ignorant about Fareast’s history. Professor Robert Thurman even thinks President Hu could be another Nixon (a hardliner vs. China comparing to Hu vs. Tibet). This is a joke and it shows that Thurman knows nothing about Fareast politics.

from http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/03/20/3/a-discussion-about-unrest-in-tibet

The show is better than many other more biased shows. It is still biased. Especially when you invite all pro-Tibet guests. They could have invited professors at least from Hong Kong studying Chinese history.

Charlie Rose is the guy who was hurt when defending his MacBook Air.

Time for Sichuan

CNN sent a reporter to the Aba county in Sichuan province, because they received pictures and reports from some Tibetan groups about killing of Tibetans there.

The title of the video was “Conflicting stories of death”. The reporter said, along the way, they heard different stories about the numbers of people died. But he only gave one example, saying, here, these people said they were told that over 100 ethnic Chinese people were killed by local news.

I think this video is very problematic and I have serious doubt that the reporter was telling the truth. First of all, they cut of the voices of the natives. Voices of interviewed people speaking foreign language are usually preserved to ensure that the report is true, often as lower background voices. Second, Chinese media is extremely censored. It is extremely unlikely their local news reported the number of death. It is already very surprising if their local news actually reported the protest. The Chinese government has also been very cautious about causing resentment in Han Chinese people, and they may downplay the number of death of Han Chinese.

In Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province, at least 2 people died because of attack from Tibetan man in the street, based on reliable information I have. And the news did NOT report this incidence. It is not on any news, Chinese or western. And Sichuan official news website has no news about the death of Chinese people in Aba county.

CNN reporter, probably had lost in translation. His translator may not well understand the dialect there. Or, like usual, CNN is simply biased and putting out false information.

Q&A About Tibet, and Chinese politics

Why Chinese always feel frustration when talking about issues such as Tibet and Taiwan with westerners? And what do I think is the solution to many problems in China.

Frustration came from the inability to communicate because most Americans don’t know enough truth to make reasonable judgement. Frustration came from when CNN talks about Chinese government brutally suppress and kill Tibetans, they are broadcasting videos from India or Nepal. Frustration came from Westerners will always argue China “invaded” Tibet 58 years ago, while Tibet has been under China sovereign for over 700 hundred years. (No need to argue about this, if you want to just believe what you heard on BBC, CNN or whatever, I won’t stop you.)

I know that there Tibet was largely and traditionally autonomous throughout most of the time when it was under sovereign of China. So why did China has to send army to Tibet in 1950, and sort of break this “tradition”? It is largely because of the threat from the western world, especially from USA. USA interfered with Chinese civil war, so government of Republic of China can flee to Taiwan and the civil war was interrupted by USA military interference. However, in 1949 China finally sort of finished civil war, after over 100 years of being invaded by the western world. It was time for China to stand up and get together. Chinese dare not to lose control of any part of China after been bullied for so long. China at that time may be unable to cross the straight and finish the civil war, but the US was unable to interfere with re-taking control of Tibet militarily. Remember, USSR forced PRC government to forfeit the legitimate sovereign of Mongolia. China was threatened everywhere.

Chinese government is not democratic like the western system. It is difficult to say if right away there is free election, who people will vote for. Tibetans may vote against the China Communist Party, but so may many normal Chinese people. But that will not reflect anything because it is a vote after political freedom repression. If every part of China was given western-like democracy for 20 years, Tibetans will most likely vote not to be independent. And yes, I believe if there is another strong party other than CCP, people may vote for them.

The solution about Tibet or many issues in China is a better and more democratic government. Minorities in China enjoyed much more privileges than the majority of Han Chinese. The privileges are way more than Affirmative Action in the USA. But this is most likely a failed policy. Chinese would rather prefer a less democratic government than being split into pieces. So if western world is really willing to help China grow, which I seriously doubt, they will just help China to open instead of accusation. Because an open country will inevitably going towards democracy, under the influence of other countries. Too much sunlight actually close up stomata. If Chinese government feels threatened by opening up, they will be more reluctant to political reform.

Unfortunately, the western government apparently do not want to sincerely help China to grow. Even if China is not a so called “communist country”, they won’t want to. Even Europe and USA fights sometimes. And Europe is not even close to counter USA in any mean. A strong democratic China, to the west, is still a threat in the western minds.

Concerns about Tibet, because of Western Media

I am concerned about Tibet in the past few days.

All the photos, videos from either news agencies or independent individuals are showing a small group of violent Tibetan people destroying shops and cars, burning down cars and buildings, hitting and even killing innocent people (who are not Tibetan). However, western media have chosen to say that Chinese government is doing “bloody crackdown” on the riot.

What?

I should not have been surprised. Because westerners have always been lied about China. The continued efforts to demonize China has been there for many many years. I should not have been surprised.

But one simple question, is that are those westerners who watch these media, such as CNN, Yahoo, BBC, unable to “think” at all? None of those videos or pictures are showing the so called “bloody crackdown” but violent Tibetan people. I believe, this, and this only, is an evidence that’s strong enough to overthrow all the previous reports on Tibet: totally biased and lies.

Also, from these videos and pictures, it is clear that those violent Tibetans are attackers. If, like those media and Dalai Lama said, over 100 of those attackers have died, what would you expect have died as defenders? When Chinese government said 10 people have died, they meant “innocent people”. But when western media report this, they made it sounds like 10 Tibetan people were killed by Chinese police.

Also when CNN was interviewing Richard Gere, an actor who basically don’t know much about truth or the world, they were broadcasting the conflicts between Indian or Nepal police and protesting Tibetans. OK, maybe Americans are really THAT easy to fool. Because CNN was not talking about India or Nepal in that video (I watched personally), it is apparent that they wanted to fool people into thinking Chinese police are treating these Tibetans so badly.

The bottom line is, wherever there are riots, be it in USA, UK or Germany, police will act. USA authorized army to enter New Orleans and shoot mobs. UK used force against northern Ireland. When innocent Chinese people are being killed, their properties been destroyed, we did not hear a single condemn to these terrorists in Lhasa on those “extremely unbiased” media who only tell truth. Well, maybe condemn is too much to ask, how about a little sympathy for those innocent people? But still, none, nothing, not at all. On the other hand, they are accusing Chinese government being bloody and brutal.

I would say Chinese government is brutal if they don’t stop these terrorists, and be responsible for their citizens lives. Luckily we have police just like western world.

To summarize, there is basically no point of arguing about this issue with westerners who had been brainwashed by their media. Remember how Americans were brainwashed into Iraq wars? They tried to brainwash them into Iran war, however some special interest group in Washington DC apparently aborted. Chinese media brainwash people too. Most Chinese people know that. And Chinese like me makes my own judgement. Most Americans don’t believe their media try to brainwash them. They vote Obama because of Oprah.

Why is that? Let me connect the dots. Why would western media portrait China and some other countries much worse than they really are? Because this brings in contrast. In this way, westerners would start to feel happy about what they got, even though it is not really much better. It is very effective because now it feels like they live in a much better world than they really do. I have seen numerous comments about China by Americans: I am so glad I don’t live in China. USA is on average a better place to live than China, no-brainer. However, now, there are a very significant number of Chinese who lead better life than a significant number of low class Americans, believe it or not. I have a friend in China earning $15,000 a year, another one $10,000 a year. There are many people like them, and people better than them. And China is a much cheaper place to live (although getting more expensive), apparently relatively they are much richer than lower class Americans. What’s more important is, China is still developing fast. US now enters recession. Think about 20 years later?

But it is important for US and western world to ensure their citizens to feel much more superior than people from China and countries like that. Think about how many Americans believe their health care is better than Canadian? And no, American people are not fooled by their media. No, not at all. And, they become so fat and unhealthy with a french fried loving heart, all because that’s what they truly wanted. I probably went too far from the topic of Tibet, but anyway it was fun to talk about truth.

西藏文化15年内会消失吗?

达赖放话,说如果维持现状,西藏的文化会在15年内消失。我觉得是毫无道理的。

首先,显然15年内西藏的文化是不会消失的。无须论证,这很显然。达赖只不过是危言耸听罢了,一贯做法。

其次,中国自古就比世界其他地区更为统一,无论是文化还是语言。西方有一本书,也专门探讨过这个问题。为什么中国主要的几大语系都是普通话的近亲,而且使用人数如此之多,相比欧洲,非洲,印度等地,一个很小的地方就有比中国多得多的语言。因此,西方传统上就是无法理解中国人向往统一的心理和趋同趋势。

西藏文化是否会最终被同化,我觉得也不太重要。随着世界交流的密切,本来文化之间就会互相交融。你看中国人(如果你说汉族也可以),现在穿着和生活习惯,其实已经严重得脱离中国历史传统,穿的是衬衣,西装,皮鞋;流行时尚还是来自欧美日韩。为什么没有人大喊要挽救中国人的某些历史传统呢?因为时代是不断进步的。

而且,西方殖民主义,消灭了多少地方文化,非洲有多少国家现在说的是英语法语,印第安人文化被消灭了多少,为什么他们不首先检讨道歉?恐怕他们还自豪,为被殖民侵略的国家带来先进的东西呢!所以,所有这些,其实还不过是为了遏抑中国罢了!

可惜很多中国人都买BBC这一套。也难怪BBC一壶老酒可以卖个几十年。